Just launching - CIVIL will hopefully bring quality journalism back. A new model which will move away from corporate, Ad driven click journalism https://joincivil.com/about/
@doryandgeoff its not quite that simple, the is a backlash against blockchain coins at the moment. CIVIL is based on this technology.
@jim @doryandgeoff one of the problems is that the people who start the coin end up with a huge pile's of them so then they have the motivation to push the coin out to increase/keep the value of this private pile of coins. That's one of the resions why we have so many of different "coins" being pushed hard the last few years.
Low energy paths are not tested so hot air for now to keep the whole thing expanding #bubble
@strypey @jim @doryandgeoff all interesting but "it is still rather unclear what the point of choosing blockchain over conventional databases might be." is a question that need to be asked for these projects. If the answer is just #fashernista #encryptionist then they are taking up space that needs to be filled by #KISS #openweb projects.
@strypey @Hamishcampbell @doryandgeoff … at which point I start getting quite worried. Even if tech can solve some of the issues around online voting, there are significant social problems with online voting. It seems impossible right now to ensure that a vote cast on a computer is actually done in secret.
The other social issue is trust in the verification. This is very hard to achieve when non-technical people who are inclined to distrust the election process are asked to believe what engineers claim.
Remember #pencilgate in the UK? Or think about the claims of fraud around many recent elections.
@strypey I would tackle that at the other end: finding ways to create participatory democracy from the ground up. Including through local government.
Open code does not eliminate the whole set of verification issues, at each level.
Yes some elections are more worth hacking than others. But any vuln anywhere calls any election into doubt. CF Netherlands evoting machines being withdrawn for local elections.
@strypey On the local election fraud, see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 for instance.
Postal ballots are also open to small scale intimidation, from family members etc.
Postal and online voting are not secret ballots. This is a problem.
The issues are not whether encryption can solve the anonymity problem, but whether
(a) there is a secret ballot (social problem with online voting)
(b) the software and hardware are invulnerable to tampering
(c) the population at large are inclined to believe experts saying it is all safe
As to whether paper and pens are the only solution: currently I would they are the *best* solution for *state-run elections*.
@bobjonkman I'll make the time to listen (not right now).
The practice vs theory is a big issue of course, but I'm struggling to see how online voting can be secret. I'll get back when I've found time to go through it.
Nevertheless, state elections are precisely where e-voting trials / rollout does take place, and the software is not just closed, but basically commodity product built on Windows.
Prizes would need to be for proof of attack. I can claim one for leaning over your shoulder as you vote.
@strypey @bobjonkman Well, there are many factors involved, but one key point is that nobody wants to pay for elections. In the UK for instance they are run on a tiny budget. They are also used occasionally, and this makes security even harder than normal.
As I say what you seem to be after (really) is direct democracy. That comes in many forms. While online voting might enable it, there are other ways to do. It's also a huge change for most countries, which would need a culture shift.
We aren't going to agree on this I’m afraid. I will watch the video discussed before and I am happy to look at anything substantive but we will soon end up boring or annoying each other if we carry on picking potential holes in our respective stances.
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